they come from, and then they give you some sort of drivel. this is a very, very, very weak economy right now, workers' wages are going down, we should point that out. that's why unions, that's why there's sympathy for what's going on here. we have a president of the united states to think -- that thinks to solve that issue it's good to raise taxes on everybody, even on small businesses. he's really not taking into account the economic impact of what's going on in the country right now. you have to have sympathy for these folks, but they should remember, they should heed the example of hostess and the automakers, you push too hard, there are economic consequences. job consequences and company-wide consequences. patti ann: briefly, the controversy over working on thanksgiving -- >> well, that's a joke. i mean, come on. listen, you take this job, my dad was a bartender. i washed dishes as a kid. we worked easter, okay? easter's a big italian-american holiday, by the way, but we did it because those were the conditions of the job. like i said, these are not coal miners, they're not risking t